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#91
07-09-08, 12:38 PM
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Q Correll wrote:
> Rudy, > > > This is seldom the case. > > That doesn't change the fact that 's is regularly accepted and used. > <g> > > I guess no one consulted you prior to it becoming common practice. > ;-) Many thing's <g> are "common practice", like using "loose" when people mean "lose", mixing "they're", "their", "there" etc., using "I would of thought so" if they mean "I would have thought so", the use of "between you and I" instead of "between you and me", etc. That does not mean they are correct. |
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#92
07-09-08, 01:10 PM
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Roddy Pratt wrote:
> Did you used to work at Micro Consultants, around 1981, by any chance? '78 to '79. :-) > Your name seems familiar...? And yours has been causing an itch at the back of my brain for a while too. Small world eh! |
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#93
07-09-08, 04:04 PM
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
> he use of "between > you and I" instead of "between you and me", etc. This one drives me /nuts/. I hear "between he and I" all the time. Infuriating. |
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#94
07-09-08, 04:18 PM
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Rudy,
| Many thing's <g> are "common practice", like using "loose" when people | mean "lose", mixing "they're", "their", "there" etc., Naw,... those are just spelling errors. Not the same thing at all. |
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#95
07-09-08, 11:08 PM
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Nick Hodges (Embarcadero) wrote:
> Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: > > > he use of "between > > you and I" instead of "between you and me", etc. > > This one drives me nuts. I hear "between he and I" all the time. Aaaargh. A mistake a Dutch or German speaker of English would never make, since that sounds horrible (and sooooo wrong) to us. |
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#96
07-09-08, 11:12 PM
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Q Correll wrote:
> Rudy, > > | Many thing's <g> are "common practice", like using "loose" when > people > > mean "lose", mixing "they're", "their", "there" etc., > > Naw,... those are just spelling errors. I'm not sure. I'd assume that most people knew the difference between those three, and yet some use the same wrong one all the time. I'd call that a grammatical error. So are errors of the kind "I would of done that". So are most 's after plurals. If it is possible to do that without creating something ambiguous, the apostrophe should be omitted. |
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#97
07-10-08, 01:41 AM
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
> Aaaargh. A mistake a Dutch or German speaker of English would never > make, since that sounds horrible (and sooooo wrong) to us. Well, it /should/ sound horrible to English speakers as well. Here's why it happens: Kids always say "Me and Fred went to the store". And their 4th Grade teacher always says "No, it's 'Fred and I went to the store.". And people here that so much that they start thinking it is never right to say "Fred and Me". |
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#98
07-10-08, 04:28 AM
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Nick,
| Kids always say "Me and Fred went to the | store". And their 4th Grade teacher always says "No, it's 'Fred and I | went to the store." And the kid says: "That's funny, I was sure it was me that went to the store with Fred." (Ba-da-boom!> |
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#99
07-10-08, 05:16 AM
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Q Correll wrote:
> And the kid says: "That's funny, I was sure it was me that went to > the store with Fred." (Ba-da-boom!> Yup. ;-) |
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#100
07-10-08, 11:47 AM
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Nick Hodges (Embarcadero) wrote:
> Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: > > > Aaaargh. A mistake a Dutch or German speaker of English would never > > make, since that sounds horrible (and sooooo wrong) to us. > > Well, it should sound horrible to English speakers as well. > > Here's why it happens: Kids always say "Me and Fred went to the > store". And their 4th Grade teacher always says "No, it's 'Fred and I > went to the store.". And people here Heheh. You meant hear, right? > that so much that they start > thinking it is never right to say "Fred and Me". I know. It is called hypercorrection. [url down] |
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#101
07-10-08, 03:10 PM
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
> I'm not sure. I'd assume that most people knew the difference between > those three, and yet some use the same wrong one all the time. I'd > call that a grammatical error. You can't really presume that. For example, nearly every post I write on these forums I compose using voice dictation. The voice dictation software often makes mistakes, and generally I catch them. But sometimes I don't. So it's very easy for me to make that sort of error even though I know the difference between them. |
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#102
07-10-08, 04:10 PM
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
> > I know. It is called hypercorrection. > > [..] Wow -- and I thought I came up with that idea on my own. ;-) |
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#103
07-10-08, 04:21 PM
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Nick Hodges (Embarcadero) wrote:
> Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: > >> I know. It is called hypercorrection. >> >> [..] > > Wow -- and I thought I came up with that idea on my own. ;-) > It seems like you're in the wrong business then, Nick. ;-) |
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#104
07-10-08, 05:33 PM
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Craig Stuntz [TeamB] wrote:
> Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: > > > I'm not sure. I'd assume that most people knew the difference > > between those three, and yet some use the same wrong one all the > > time. I'd call that a grammatical error. > > You can't really presume that. For example, nearly every post I > write on these forums I compose using voice dictation. Oh cool. Sure, software won't readily know the difference. And yet, I assume that most people making these mistakes do not use voice dictation and can't blame their software. Also note that I said "most people", not "all people". |
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#105
07-10-08, 09:00 PM
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Nick,
My wife hates when I YELL out the corrections to the television :-) "Nick Hodges (Embarcadero)" <nick.hodges> wrote in message news:3681 [..] |
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