Day 2

2007-05-24 07:54
explorer.exe: 79800 KB
handles: 20828

if you are going to try and prove something, it would be advantageous to keep the data in a running table instead of posting just the daily results.
personally I could not be bothered to try and go back and find the previous day(s) information.



mikeyhsd



"AlbertGr" <AlbertGr.2r2qnh> wrote in message news:2qnh

Day 2

2007-05-24 07:54
explorer.exe: 79800 KB
handles: 20828

Good point. I will make an excel file along with notes per day, and hold
this information private until non-standard issues occur. Then, weekly
instead of daily, I report in this bulletin any updates, thus keeping
things as brief as possible.

appreciate your work albert, am tracking your results regardless.

AlbertGr <AlbertGr.2r3cvh> wrote in
news:AlbertGr.2r3cvh:
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I had the same problem on my other computer, started slowing down, freezing
up, then working fine, then wouldn't boot at all; motherboard died.

Excel Tabel week 21/2007:

Date Time Task Memory (kb) Handles Remarks

23-5-2007 8:52 explorer.exe 23408 19628 OS Status after reboot
24-5-2007 7:54 explorer.exe 79800 20828 explorer.exe 2x visible
25-5-2007 8:30 explorer.exe 111228 23291 explorer.exe 2x visible
26-5-2007 9:10 explorer.exe 118998 24539 explorer.exe 2x visible
27-5-2007 9:35 explorer.exe 157868 23964 explorer.exe 2x visible

Notable issues Vista leak-test week 21/2007:
* Day 5 (today) the handles Decreased for the first time (from 24539 to
23964)
* Since Day 2 two separate explorer.exe programs are visible in
Taskmanager. The second one is still taking the same memory amount,
11664 KB. This mem-value is constant (+- 1KB difference mostly, so it
is catagorized stable)
* Since Booting the OS May 23 (Day 1) an rapidly increasing memory
usage amount of explorer.exe is notable
* Slowly, my OS is behaving more unresponsive and sluggish. It feels
and seems related to the increase of the explorer.exe memory usage.
* Day 1 memory usage explorer.exe = 23408 KB, Day 5 memory usage
explorer.exe = 157868 kb (see tabel). Increase factor = 674%

Leak-Test resuming ...

>> To user sidewinder 9X, your post May 26th:

Thank you for sharing your info. Having bought my computer +- 1,5 years
ago, and inspected two month ago for any defects, there has been made
one modification in my computer. My CPU temperature was getting too
hot. This issue has been fixed by a computer specialist, who installed
a new CPU-cooler. Since then, no heat problems or rising CPU-fan noises
are occuring. So I assume my motherboard and CPU are not defective
(yet), and therefore not affecting any test-results.

Now troubles are getting starting: I cannot open any PDF document
anymore, because lack of memory resources. In the middle of opening the
document, only the frames of the PDF docoment are visible, then after 1
minute Adobe Acrobat 8 closes with a "This program won't work anymore"
error. After closing Outlook (this program runs in the background), I
retry to open the document, and now it works. So clearly all memory
resources are exhausted. I will now kill explorer.exe, (NO reboot!!)
and see if the system stabilizes.

Week 22/2007 explorer.exe behavior Windows Vista Ultimat

Day Date Time Task Memory (kb) Handles Remark
Day 1 AF 27-5-2007 11:35 explorer.exe 24092 17251 OS status afte
killing explorer.exe (AF
Day 2 AF 28-5-2007 9:49 explorer.exe 53428 19608
Day 3 AF 29-5-2007 8:12 explorer.exe 74532 21725
Day 4 AF 30-5-2007 9:56 explorer.exe 105364 22560
Day 5 AF 31-5-2007 7:48 explorer.exe 101864 22466
Day 6 AF 1-6-2007 10:01 explorer.exe 116388 23870
Day 7 AF 2-6-2007 9:45 explorer.exe 132144 2302

Global remarks
* After killing explorer.exe on May 27th, the extreme grow-speed o
memory explorer.exe usage seems slowed down a bit
* Handle usage seems fai
* Still at Day 7 AF, memory usage from explorer.exe has been grown fro
17251 kb to 132144 k

Now lets see if this grow continues into week 23, and if my OS syste
resources keep available for continu working without rebooting

Till next week. Every input/comment is welcome in the meantime, alon
with your own experiences
Alber

Week 23/2007 explorer.exe behavior Windows Vista Ultimat

Day Date Time Task Memory (kb) Handles Remark
Day 8 AF 3-6-2007 17:19 explorer.exe 139968 22725 17:38 Explorer.ex
crashes while opening the propertie
Day 9 AF2 3-6-2007 17:35 explorer.exe 16960 21220 of a
program-shortcut. Tray-icons are not lost thi
time bacause I installed PS Tray Factory, that restore
tray icons after an explorer.exe crash (like this one)
New values memory usage entered for explorer.exe
AF2=after second explorer.exe crash. In fact this i
Day 9 after real reboot of the OS
Day 10 AF2 4-6-2007 7:40 explorer.exe 75072 22259 explorer.exe 2
visibl
2nd explorer.exe is 13284 k
Day 10 AF2 4-6-2007 16:24 explorer.exe 24076 20403 System totall
frozen after playing DVD-image fil
with PowerDVD. System Rebooted
Day 1 5-6-2007 14:17 explorer.exe 58952 22757
Day 2 6-6-2007 11:02 explorer.exe 72440 24702
Day 3 7-6-2007 9:44 explorer.exe 100880 25280
Day 4 8-6-2007 9:30 explorer.exe 124104 24036
Day 5 8-6-2007 18:39 explorer.exe 128932 21598 Decided to kil
explorer.exe because of malfunctionin
opening/closing Windows-folders (out-of-mem
Day 6 AF1 8-6-2007 18:41 explorer.exe 17296 19680 New values afte
killing explorer.ex
Day 7 AF1 9-6-2007 13:16 explorer.exe 89608 21636

Global remarks after testing for two week
* Approx. each 5 days I have to kill explorer.exe because I run of ou
of system resource
* Vista Ultimate allows resuming without problems, after killin
explorer.exe. with the full system resources available, without reboo
the O

I cannot fix this behavior on my own, because I have no programmin
skills
Therefore I have decided to quit any future testing and reporting. M
only hope is, that someone ever fix this memory leak a.s.a.p.

For any users who are planning buying Vista anytime soon, you have bee
warned. Is is a great OS, but not matured yet for server/busines
purposes. This is my conclusion for now, based on the experience
described above

Of course, I keep watching this space for any feedback or solutions yo
might have for me

Cya
Alber

Hi everyone !

It is now week 39/2007, so 16 weeks after my last post. After several
Vista automatic Updates, the memory leak problem still exists. Nothing
has changed, so I still have to kill the explorer.exe task each 3 (max.
4) days. Until now, I brand Windows Vista as yet unstable for business
and server purposes (in fact, in every situation where computers don't
shut-down each day Vista is not matured yet). I have for comparison
purposed bought and installed a Windows XP Professional version, and
running the same tasks as on my Vista system. And guess what: with
Windows XP Prof. NO LEAK is present ! Each time Windows XP gives
explorer.exe the memory back after is has been used and grown to approx
35% of the total installed memory (4GB). This proves that my problem is
OS (Vista)-related.

Any feedback, anyone ?

"AlbertGr" <AlbertGr.2xl2rf> wrote in message
news:l2rf
> It is now week 39/2007, so 16 weeks after my last post. After several
> Vista automatic Updates, the memory leak problem still exists. Nothing
> has changed, so I still have to kill the explorer.exe task each 3 (max.
> 4) days. Until now, I brand Windows Vista as yet unstable for business
> and server purposes (in fact, in every situation where computers don't
> shut-down each day Vista is not matured yet). I have for comparison
> purposed bought and installed a Windows XP Professional version, and
> running the same tasks as on my Vista system. And guess what: with
> Windows XP Prof. NO LEAK is present ! Each time Windows XP gives
> explorer.exe the memory back after is has been used and grown to approx
> 35% of the total installed memory (4GB). This proves that my problem is
> OS (Vista)-related.
>
> Any feedback, anyone ?
> AlbertGr
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you report the problem to Microsoft and include
detailed instructions to reproduce the error? No one
on the newsgroup can do anything about it.

Hi Albert--

I think it was a valid question for the newsgroup. The newsgroup often
gives info LOL on things that members of the group might influence with
interaction of teams at Redmond (so that premise that they can't do anything
about it--and not just during Beta testing is not correct--I know that for a
fact). Even if it were something no one could change, it's worth knowing an
answer.

If it's Windows, it can delvelop memory leaks and you can recognize them and
often eliminate them.

Again, often they are caused by 3rd party interactions with Vista and you
***CAN do something about them.

Memory leaks can occur in any Windows OS, past and future--ME was one of the
all time worst for that--sometimes they're caused by 3rd party like this
example from Ed Bott:

Ed Bott is co-author of Windows (XP) or (Vista) Inside Out (MSFT Press):

http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1616

Finding Managed Memory leaks using the .Net CF Remote Performance Monitor
http://blogs.msdn.com/stevenpr/archi...e-monitor.aspx

Memory Leak with use of Energy Saving Screen Saver in Vista
[url down]

Many many examples can be found of causes of memory leaks in Vista by simply
using a search engine.

CH


"AlbertGr" <AlbertGr.2xl2rf> wrote in message
news:l2rf
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I noticed this also on my Vista installs especially with Nvidia videocards
so if you have one I'd make sure to update to latest Nvidia driver.
It would happen mainly when playing either MS FSX or any 3D game for long
periods of time for that matter!

I noticed the 2 optimization patches MS released not long ago seem to have
helped alot.
It even mentions in there somewhere that they did some memory management
tweaking so I don't know if that helped or more mature video drivers?
Anyways like I said I haven't seen the problem anymore so it's fixed for me
as far as I'm concerned.

"AlbertGr" <AlbertGr.2xl2rf> wrote in message
news:l2rf
[..]

I have not reported my memory-leak problems to Microsoft yet. I will
make a test-guide for them, and upload that for evaluation. Thanks for
the quick feedback(s).

More then a year has passed, and only since yesterday (July 3rd, 2008) I
have found a solution for the memory leak problem. The explorer.exe
memory along with other system memory resources will be given back,
after I use a tiny util called SweepRAM. It is only 6kb (!!) in size,
and can be downloaded from 'SweepRAM | Computers are fun, right?'
(http://88.191.26.34/computers_are_fun/sweepram/) . Don't forget to
download VB6FR.DLL and place it in your \system32 directory, because the
util use this Frence localized DLL (my Vista is US-EN localised). When
memory shrinks too badly, just use it, and all the hidden claimed RAM
will be given back to the OS. Finally I don't have to reboot anymore
after heavy Vista-activity. I hope with this solution I will be of any
assistance to other users who might have similar memory-leak problems.
Goodbye ! Regards, Albert.