1) hmmm..
2) errr...
3) wellll....
4) Seriously I got some.. give me some time here!
5) da..da ...da da.... its coming I tell you!
6) Now it has something to do with computers... thats for sure
7) No I wont give up!!!..
8) I can assure you vista IS BETTER than XP
9) It is I tell you!!!!
10) Ok I found it.. Vista has a better theme!

There you have it!

1) Those encounters with Sheep
2) Can't change own diaper
3) Breathes
4) Can recognize a computer
5) Posts trash to vista group
6) Insults People
7) Takes up Oxygen
8) Generates Trash
9) Brain Dead
10) He won't give up

Just FYI


"vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
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[..]

Good personal profile of yourself.. I bet you use it on all those dating
sites...



"Bill Yanaire" <bill> wrote in message
news:3624
[..]

Wrong - Numb Nuts - It is you


"vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
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10 reasons why I like VISTA

1) produces snit fits in Os'ists ....
2) pisses of some by making it harder to use pirated material (see
"privacy")
3) keeps reminding users to be careful
4) pisses off those who "want to do it my their way", but still want the
option to blame Microsoft for doing it their way
5) reminds certain elitists just how marginal they are
6) works in ways some don't understand (thus the entertaining rants)
7) gives some, something to do i.e. creatively complain sans knowledge of
what they are complaining about (see 6)
8) reminds us that some just don't want to be bothered
9) reminds us that objectivity IS important, lest we become an 'OS Moonie
10) by just being VISTA
11) the bonus, I learned a new word "fanboy" used by boys who seek to
differentiate them selves from themselves


all in all top drawer

Maybe your car has the ignition switch in the trunk and you like that.
I don't.
That doesn't make me stupid, lazy, a pirate or an elitist.
In the 30+ months I have been using various versions of Vista, it has been
my opinion that it is poorly designed and implemented.
I don't want Matel or Fisher-Price to design the appearance of my OS or AOL
to design the security/functionality.
That is what it looks like TO ME.
If you like it, great.
I don't and have said so in many ways.
That doesn't mean I can't make it work, just that I don't like to take all
the extra (IMHO, UNnecessary) steps.
If I wanted to be nagged that way, I could always join a sect that allows
several wives...

> Maybe your car has the ignition switch in the trunk and you like that. I
> don't.

I don't BUY that :)
remember you are talking about things you don't like
not things that ARE wrong

> That doesn't make me stupid, lazy, a pirate or an elitist.
who said it did (and NO, my post didn't)


> In the 30+ months I have been using various versions of Vista, it has been
> my opinion that it is poorly designed and implemented.
then why in hell are you still using it and bitching about it? Unless you
are fibbing to yourself and to us

> I don't want Matel or Fisher-Price to design the appearance of my OS or
> AOL to design the security/functionality.
> That is what it looks like TO ME.
then move along, see above
I think there is more to your opinions that meets the eye here.
Do you become unhappy when someone doesn't share you opinion?
Does this upset you? You control your world and what you use in it

I knew a guy once who was never happy until he was unhappy and trying to
make others unhappy
strange guy

> If you like it, great.
> I don't and have said so in many ways.
> That doesn't mean I can't make it work, just that I don't like to take all
> the extra (IMHO, UNnecessary) steps.
> If I wanted to be nagged that way, I could always join a sect that allows
> several wives...

oh brother, you don't want to be nagged yet you still use it, WHY?
btw, wifes are trying to help you, because you alone don't have all the
skills necessary, etc. See?

those are MY opinions ;)

oh and by the way, your attitude is similar to a 'characture' of those wives
you mentioned. Think about that. :)


Rich, who was responding to the OP, but is happy you strolled by.

"vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in news:46ddb2ee$1-
privat.org:

> 1) hmmm..
> 2) errr...
> 3) wellll....
> 4) Seriously I got some.. give me some time here!
> 5) da..da ...da da.... its coming I tell you!
> 6) Now it has something to do with computers... thats for sure
> 7) No I wont give up!!!..
> 8) I can assure you vista IS BETTER than XP
> 9) It is I tell you!!!!
> 10) Ok I found it.. Vista has a better theme!
>
> There you have it!

The Good:

1) Windows RE
2) Automatic Defrag
3) One Media, Many Keys (versus many keys, many media)
4) Restart Manager
5) Search Feature
6) Setup is WIM based, faster installation, many cool WIM deployment
tools
7) Enhanced security out-of-box (UAC, Windows Defender)
8) Inbox driver support is quite good
9) System Restore now uses VSS (Shadow copies)
10) Comes with both 32bit and 64bit versions in the box

The Bad:

1) Resource hog
2) Product activation for all editions
3) Windows Update sucks for driver support
4) Can't shut off "candy interface" for corporate desktop (login
screen, etc)
5) Virtualization cannot be customized for legacy applications
6) Graphics engine changed dratistically, cannot use VNC, SMS to
remote control PCs in a stable matter
7) File operations (copy, move, etc) suck, especially working with
large files
8) Very little extras for Windows Vista Ultimate
9) Default firewall settings are annoying...why block Outlook 2007
outgoing when the PC is joined to a domain? Stupid.
10) Windows Explorer in Vista stinks (goes along with file operations
I guess)

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:54:57 +0000, Adam Leinss wrote:

> "vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in news:46ddb2ee-
> privat.org:
>> The Good:
>
> 1) Windows RE

RE = what?

> 2) Automatic Defrag

I prefer file systems that don't require a defrag in the first place.

> 3) One Media, Many Keys (versus many keys, many media)

How about *one* version, *one* key? That'd make too much sense though.

> 4) Restart Manager

Restart manager? Elaborate? Why does one need a "Manager" to restart?

> 5) Search Feature

I personally prefer to keep my data structured in a meaningful way that
minimizes my need to search in the first place. But I suppose it is good
for those who just randomly litter their hard drive with files all over
the place with no rhyme or reason and then wonder why they can't find
anything. =)

> 6) Setup is WIM based, faster installation, many cool WIM deployment
> tools

Setup is something I do *once*: When I build my system. I honestly don't
really care if it takes 10 minutes, an hour, or half a day.

> 7) Enhanced security out-of-box (UAC, Windows Defender)

UAC is about as useful as a pile of sand in a desert and Windows Defender
scores lower than better alternatives out there.

> 8) Inbox driver support is quite good

Inbox driver support? Huh? Since when does an inbox (I assume e-mail
inbox?) need a driver?

> 9) System Restore now uses VSS (Shadow copies)

I wouldn't even *want* to use a system restore...so I don't care what it
uses. If one needs system restores, that's a BAD thing, not a GOOD thing.
I don't want to have a need to restore my system in the first place.

> 10) Comes with both 32bit and 64bit versions in the box

Then what are all the complaints about people having to call Microsoft and
and pay to have the 64-bit disk shipped to them? Well unless you buy
Ultimate that is.

>
> The Bad:
>
> 1) Resource hog
> 2) Product activation for all editions
> 3) Windows Update sucks for driver support
> 4) Can't shut off "candy interface" for corporate desktop (login
> screen, etc)
> 5) Virtualization cannot be customized for legacy applications
> 6) Graphics engine changed dratistically, cannot use VNC, SMS to
> remote control PCs in a stable matter
> 7) File operations (copy, move, etc) suck, especially working with
> large files
> 8) Very little extras for Windows Vista Ultimate
> 9) Default firewall settings are annoying...why block Outlook 2007
> outgoing when the PC is joined to a domain? Stupid.
> 10) Windows Explorer in Vista stinks (goes along with file operations
> I guess)

Now those I agree on across the board. =)

Stephan Rose <nospam> wrote in
news:KNWdnfHXBIrFWkPbnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d:

>> 1) Windows RE
>
> RE = what?

Recovery Environment, Google it :)

>> 2) Automatic Defrag
>
> I prefer file systems that don't require a defrag in the first
> place.

Enhancement over Windows XP if you like that sort of thing.

>> 3) One Media, Many Keys (versus many keys, many media)
>
> How about *one* version, *one* key? That'd make too much sense
> though.

Many SKUs give retailers wiggle room on creating price points. I'm
guessing that's why they did it.

>> 4) Restart Manager
>
> Restart manager? Elaborate? Why does one need a "Manager" to
> restart?

Helped me realize I was burning a DVD instead of just killing the
system.

>> 6) Setup is WIM based, faster installation, many cool WIM
>> deployment tools
>
> Setup is something I do *once*: When I build my system. I honestly
> don't really care if it takes 10 minutes, an hour, or half a day.

I do.

>> 9) System Restore now uses VSS (Shadow copies)
>
> I wouldn't even *want* to use a system restore...so I don't care
> what it uses. If one needs system restores, that's a BAD thing,
> not a GOOD thing. I don't want to have a need to restore my system
> in the first place.

When you need it, in comes in quite handy. No one wants to use a
fire extinguisher either, but it's there for safety reasons.

Adam

Stephen;
There are a few things I could disagree with, but I will pick one.
#3, One price means everyone pays the same price for everything
whether they want the features or not.
The price would certainly be lower than Ultimate but they would also
be higher than Home Basic.
The price would probably be somewhere between Vista Home Premium and
Vista Business.

Taking away options and raising prices for many can not be a good
thing, especially for those that have limited resources.
If that was done many would then accuse Microsoft of making a change
simply to raise profits.
Do you also apply that thinking to other products outside computers?
Should everyone pay for and get all the features of a product even if
they have no need?
The ones who would win are those with larger budgets and with less
need for the price cut while the losers are more likely those with
limited budgets.
Does not make much sense to me.

What version of Windows Vista do you use?

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:05:08 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter> wrote:

[..]
>simply to raise profits.
>Do you also apply that thinking to other products outside computers?
>Should everyone pay for and get all the features of a product even if
>they have no need?
>The ones who would win are those with larger budgets and with less
>need for the price cut while the losers are more likely those with
>limited budgets.
>Does not make much sense to me.
>
>What version of Windows Vista do you use?

As usual Jupiter totally blows it. Microsoft does exactly what you
claim they don't.

Microsoft is their usual fashion is just being greedy. Take the
business version of Vista. There is no technical reason why DVD
burning support isn't included. That they did exclude it is just a
cheesy way to try to get people to buy Ultimate for features the
majority of business users don't want while at the same time excluding
features many business users would have a use for, ie being able to
directly burn a DVD without adding third party applications. We always
come back to the same point. MVPs and fanbodys always manager to shut
their eyes tightly and refuse to see what's really going on every time
anybody is objective about their beloved Microsoft doing things purely
to fatten the bottom line and screw customers, which seems to be a key
part of their business model.

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:05:08 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> <jones_jupiter> wrote:


> We always
> come back to the same point. MVPs and fanbodys ...


Is that a dead fanboy or a typo? :)

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 10:05:08 -0600, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

[..]
> thing, especially for those that have limited resources.
> If that was done many would then accuse Microsoft of making a change
> simply to raise profits.
> Do you also apply that thinking to other products outside computers?
> Should everyone pay for and get all the features of a product even if
> they have no need?
> The ones who would win are those with larger budgets and with less
> need for the price cut while the losers are more likely those with
> limited budgets.
> Does not make much sense to me.

Oh come on, there was *one* Windows95.
*one* Windows 98.
*one* Windows 2000.

Then with XP they started this crap with Home / Professional and later
that Media center version which I never figured out what it's difference
was.

Home just was a castrated version of Professional that I'd refuse to even
go near.

Now with Vista?

I mean seriously, does it REALLY need TWO versions for home!?!?

Home Basic and Home Premium?? Just having one "Home" isn't good enough?

What's the next version going to have?

Home Very Basic, Home A little Basic, Home Sort of Premium, Home Really
Premium?

And no, if they only did one version the price wouldn't have to be where
you said. They essentially doubled the price with this release going to
$399 for Vista Ultimate (non-upgrade, retail version).

If they would stick to the same pricing range as XP was, and reduce it to
only *one* version that can simply do everything...$150-$175 would probably
be a reasonable price.

And don't come to me with "Limited Budgets". Anyone on a limited budget
isn't likely to build a custom system. They are more likely to go to dell
or equivalent and buy a low budget system that barely has enough power
to even boot Vista and get it included in the low budget price.

>
> What version of Windows Vista do you use?
>

Seeing I don't use castrated versions of any OS, the only version of Vista
I *would* use would be Ultimate. But I honestly find the pricing to be
ridiculous.

I mean these days I can build a 2.4GHz Dual Core system for under $1,000
bucks if I don't exactly need a nVidia 8800 GTX in it. At that point in
time, I need to add 40% or more to my cost just for the OS? Sorry but
when the OS almost starts to begin more expensive than over half of my
actual hardware...it's gone too far.

"Home just was a castrated version of Professional..."
It suits the needs of many without the unnecessary features and cost.
This choice allows many to save a few $.

"...use would be Ultimate..."
So you would probably see a price cut.

"They are more likely to go..."
And a change in the pricing structure will impact there as well.
So they would probably see an increase, partially offset by your own
decrease.

"$150-$175 would probably be a reasonable price."
Perhaps, but you and I are not setting the price so to be reasonable
you need to use the existing structure.

"What's the next..."
This speculation is not relevant unless you know something most do
not.

"And don't come to me with..."
In other words, the choices available to many is not important to you
since you only want the full package?
Cost for many is a major issue and the changes you suggest would
impact the entire line while making yours cheaper.

Choice is good, especially when less expensive versions more suited to
individual needs.
Now there are 4 versions,easy for most to make a reasonable choice
after a little research.