On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:24 GMT, "Canuck57"
<dave-no_spam> wrote:

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>"Adam Albright" <AA> wrote in message
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>So were they guilty?

Young guy accused of domestic violence claimed to have punched/slapped
his wife. Seemed like a reach. The wife did NOT testify against him.
Over zealous states attorney didn't do a very good job, only had the
cop that responded to neighbor's call and a couple pictures that
really didn't show much of anything. Wasn't even a he said, she said.

Funny, normally the 100 odd people in the jury pool would have been
left go by 3:30, they picked 30 of us at the last minute, this guy
deciding very late he wanted a jury trial. His lucky day, the judge
was a real no nonsense hard ass with a record of throwing the book at
everybody. I looked up the Judge's record when I got home and he was
overturned by the Appeals court more than once, in one case for
failing to remove a shock belt on someone else accused of a double
murder. Judge said, that's the Sheriff's call. Appeals court said NO,
judge's job to decide if or not it was proper on a case by case basis
since he obviously could be an influence to any jury seeing any
defendant wearing such a device.

Was our guy guilty? Maybe. The state didn't prove it. Not even close.

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In article <4824d142$0$30481$4c368faf>,
Frank <fb> wrote:
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>You're speaking for only yourself mr rat and no one else.

That's not true.

The lurkers support me.

the wharf rat wrote:

> In article <4824d142$0$30481$4c368faf>,
> Frank <fb> wrote:
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>>You're speaking for only yourself mr rat and no one else.
>> That's not true.
>
> The lurkers support me.
>hehehe...now that's funny! :-)
Frank

"Adam Albright" <AA> wrote in message
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> was a real no nonsense hard ass with a record of throwing the book at
> everybody. I looked up the Judge's record when I got home and he was
> overturned by the Appeals court more than once, in one case for
> failing to remove a shock belt on someone else accused of a double
> murder. Judge said, that's the Sheriff's call. Appeals court said NO,
> judge's job to decide if or not it was proper on a case by case basis
> since he obviously could be an influence to any jury seeing any
> defendant wearing such a device.
>
> Was our guy guilty? Maybe. The state didn't prove it. Not even close.

Then I guess made for a quick decision, let him walk. Does not surprise me
the wife didn't testify for or against him. Probably was guilty but no
proof means a freebee. Never sat on a jury before, wouldn't mind as long as
it isn't one of those year long ordeals.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 14:42:00 GMT, "Canuck57"
<dave-no_spam> wrote:

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>"Adam Albright" <AA> wrote in message
>news:ub4f
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>Then I guess made for a quick decision, let him walk. Does not surprise me
>the wife didn't testify for or against him. Probably was guilty but no
>proof means a freebee. Never sat on a jury before, wouldn't mind as long as
>it isn't one of those year long ordeals.

Overall it was an interesting experience the actual trial lasted less
than three hours. The only downside which I suppose is common and
unavailable is the long waits in the Jury Pool Room.

The process begins when the County (I live in Illinois) selects people
from voting rolls and registered drivers. You are required to serve
one week or the length of the trial if selected which ever is longer.

You get an official looking summons. Off the bat they tell you it is
your "duty" and response is obligatory, not optional. The next step is
to fill out a brief online questionnaire. Basic questions, like if
you're over 18, live in the county, ever been convicted, or were a
witness or a party to a civil or criminal trial, stuff like that.

Then you wait. In my case I got the first notice in early March, then
got the official summons a couple weeks ago. You are instructed to
report to the main jury room in the County Court House. About 120
people show up at 8:30 AM.

You just sit there and can't leave the room. Very crowded, chairs
right on top of each other in rows. Nothing to do. Around 11:00 AM a
judge shows up and apologizes for the poor conditions, thanks you for
coming and explains the procedure then one of several times you take a
sworn oath. Then you wait some more.

You can not leave the jury pool room, expect to go to the bathroom and
then you still need to go through metal detectors each time. You do
get a couple hours for lunch then back to waiting. Around 3:30 PM or a
little later you are released for the day and told to check in online.
You do this twice a day, after 8:30 AM and again after 4:30 PM. You
receive instructions what time to report the next day or if you're
excused for the morning and/or afternoon session.

Cycle Repeats. If you're lucky a Bailiff from one of the courts comes
down with a list of juror numbers. Between 30-35 are picked and lined
up out in the hall. You're marched off into a couple elevators, always
marshaled by several Bailiffs and/or Sheriff deputies that never leave
you out of their sight, unlike Traffic Court where Bailiffs tend to be
rude and obnoxious they are highly respectful of potential jurors and
watch over them like mother hens.

Again the potential jurors are lined up by juror number in the hallway
outside the courtrooms. The Bailiff tells you where to sit, you just
file in the jury box and gallery and march in. Out of respect as you
were told before everyone in the court room hears the clerk say all
rise and the accused, his attorney and the DA as well as everyone else
except the judge stands as the potential jury marches in. The judge
asks some basic yes/no questions, like can you be impartial, will you
follow the law as I've instructed you, etc.. Then you stand and take
another oath.

You see both attorneys have a printed version of the questionnaire you
filled out in front of them then several of the potential jurors are
asked probing questions, some rather personal. The judge, accused and
the attorney leave the court room and return about ten minutes later.
The judge excuses the people that have been excluded. Each side can
reject up to five jurors without case or anyone with cause.

The judge thanks everyone, the impaneled jury gets told when to report
the next day, and the trial begins.

The Court takes potential jurors showing up seriously. You are given a
ID badge with bar codes you must wear and it gets scanned
electronically. If you don't show or skip at the lunch break and don't
come back the clerk tells you doing that you are in deep trouble.

In my group the Bailiff counted noses downstairs and came up first
with 29. He recounted and got 30 or the number of potential jurors he
was suppose to deliver to the court room. Once upstairs, he lined us
up, counted again, again getting only 29. The first thing the Bailiff
did after the rest of us were seated was inform the judge who skipped.
I wouldn't want to be that guy.

They will make a quick search for you in the court house, if not
found, will call your home once, you employer once. Not located, the
judge may issue a bench warrant. Those that "forget" to show up or
sneak out at lunch time face a stiff fine or up to five days vacation
in the county jail.

All and all a interested experience of our judicial system.

"Adam Albright" <AA> wrote in message
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> did after the rest of us were seated was inform the judge who skipped.
> I wouldn't want to be that guy.
>
> They will make a quick search for you in the court house, if not
> found, will call your home once, you employer once. Not located, the
> judge may issue a bench warrant. Those that "forget" to show up or
> sneak out at lunch time face a stiff fine or up to five days vacation
> in the county jail.
>
> All and all a interested experience of our judicial system.

I guess then witnesses have it better. Just got a warrant some 20 years ago
to show up. Walked in, reported. Sat around for 2 hours and got called in.
Was on the stand for 5-10 minutes and done. But it was only a traffic case.
Saw a person do a red light and t-bone someone. Learned later about 5
people saw it like I did, so the guy was cooked.

> by installing the application xsane in ubuntu i got my hp scanner to
> work instantly/cheesemaker

wonderful, now you can scan everything into UtooCanBoone2 that you're
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Rich