Victor wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:19:34 -0500, RonB wrote:
>> Comparing Vista to ME is what I'd expect from an "advocate". I haven't had
> any problems with Vista, especially not with performance.
>> What?
>> When I want to play games I double click on one.
>> More power to them. They're not patient to adjust to a new interface so
> they switch to Linux (with its reputation for user-friendliness) or
> downgrade to XP.

That "reputation" is FUD. Ubuntu is very user friendly.

Alias

* Victor peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

Yeah, why put server processes in a desktop machine? Desktop machines
are for buying CALs to connect to the server <grin>.

<cheley_bonstell88> wrote in message
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>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> [..]
>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> Others?

Lets see if we can complete the list:

4) XP is more compatible with software and hardware/driver than Vista

5) Less risk, what if you get a problematic Vista?

6) XP runs faster

7) XP plays more games

8) XP many be less expensive in the long term, less likely to need Ultimate
upgrades to get desired features (fax policy editor etc)

9) XP, assuming you are an XP user already, no need to learn the new
interface.

10) Win 7 is coming, it is likely there still will still be more XP users
come Win 7's introduction than Vista.

Victor wrote:

> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> blah blah blah

Oh well, if it's that good, send me the Live CD and I'll try it before I
install it and completely fuck my system beyond repair. Thanks.

Victor wrote:

> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

Ok, I'll buy a server with a full desktop GUI running all the time,
chewing up RAM and processor cycles instead. Ha ha ha. What a tail!

"Alias" <iamalias> wrote in message
news:sgk1
> Victor wrote:
>
> That "reputation" is FUD. Ubuntu is very user friendly.
>
> Alias

Ubuntu is very friendly if you only want to browse the net, write an email
and calculate 5 or 6 numbers on a spreadsheet.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Victor
<victor>
wrote
on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:13:58 -0500
<pan.2008.06.16.09.13.55.738079>:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> Vista.
>
> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> others
>
> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games
>
> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

5) Aero!

6) It's from Microsoft, a tried and true company. (They've
been tried, and a lot of the allegations are apparently true.)

7) There's nothing else, though Microsoft for some reason is
trying to delay the inevitable sunset of XP. Why, I
for one don't know, but a search for "Vista" coughs up
some interesting stuff.

8) Customers identify Microsoft Windows with "the computer",
so Vista's ascension is inevitable, since it's the latest
incarnation of Windows. Might as well get with the program.

9) It's preinstalled on most systems, in some form (there
are 9 editions, 5 of which are commonly available in the US,
if I'm not mistaken).

10) It's "free". Microsoft already got their money when the
unit was manufactured; never mind whether it actually gets
sold at some point.

"Cork Soaker" <Thunderbird> wrote in message
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> Victor wrote:
>
>> Reasons to buy Vista:
>>
>> blah blah blah
>
> Oh well, if it's that good, send me the Live CD and I'll try it before I
> install it and completely fuck my system beyond repair. Thanks.

Go soak another cork. I have never heard of a Linux Live-CD changing a hard
drive unless some drunk clicks install or format.

Canuck57 wrote:
> "Cork Soaker" <Thunderbird> wrote in message
> news:nln1
>> Victor wrote:
>>
>>> Reasons to buy Vista:
>>>
>>> blah blah blah
>> Oh well, if it's that good, send me the Live CD and I'll try it before I
>> install it and completely fuck my system beyond repair. Thanks.
>
> Go soak another cork. I have never heard of a Linux Live-CD changing a hard
> drive unless some drunk clicks install or format.
>
You were there when Frank tried to install Ubuntu?

Alias

"Alias" <iamalias> wrote in message
news:8m32
> Canuck57 wrote:
>
> You were there when Frank tried to install Ubuntu?
>
> Alias

What did you do with Adam Albright? He is missing. Did you hide him on
your Sheep farm?

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Canuck57
<dave-no_spam>
wrote
on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:18:06 GMT
<y7y5k.8471$kx.7548@pd7urf3no>:
>
> "Cork Soaker" <Thunderbird> wrote in message
> news:nln1
>
> Go soak another cork. I have never heard of a Linux Live-CD changing a hard
> drive unless some drunk clicks install or format.
>

I think he was referring to a *Vista* LiveCD -- which
AFAIK doesn't exist though there is a legal embedded XP
CD running around, if I'm not mistaken.

And yes, you're correct; one has to do a little
work to modify a hard drive using a Linux LiveCD.
Beats accidentally formatting one's Linux partition when
Windows "helpfully" offers to format foreign partitions.
(Fortunately, it *does* ask.)

On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m> wrote:
[..]
> on Vista, even after SP1.
>>
>
> new audio stack?
> You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> from DVD, blue ray, etc?
>
> [..]

Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,
and it's absolutely devastating. I wonder if Windows 7 will scale
back on the DRM, or make it worse. Looks like a lot of the trouble
with Vista is due to the DRM.

Doggy Style wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias> wrote in message
> news:sgk1
>
> Ubuntu is very friendly if you only want to browse the net, write an email
> and calculate 5 or 6 numbers on a spreadsheet.
>>
How about these things?:

Email
Surf the web
Burn CDs.
Rip CDs.
Listen to music.
Watch vidoes/DVDs.
Scan and print.
Spreadsheets.
Presentations
Newsgroups.
HTML editing.
Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
Make videos.
Download photos from a camera and organize them.
Translations.
Use a dictionary
Learn how to touch type.
Edit images.
Send and receive a fax.
Take screenshots.
Create .PDF files.
Create and use a data base.
Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
Windows Live Messenger.
IRC.
Bluetooth.

and much more!

What you can't do with Ubuntu:

Worry about:
WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
DRM,
Viruses,
Root kits,
Spyware,
and
Malware.

Alias

Bill Yanaire wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias> wrote in message
> news:8m32
>
> What did you do with Adam Albright?

Nothing.

> He is missing.

Really? I hadn't noticed.

> Did you hide him on
> your Sheep farm?

That's your and Frank's fantasy, not mine. Those who use Windows are
sheep. Yaknow, like you.

Alias

"Alias" <iamalias> wrote in message
news:rtc1
> Doggy Style wrote:
> How about these things?:
>
> Email

OK - Simple EMails you can do.


> Surf the web

You can surf the web


> Burn CDs.

Probably a pain in the ass with Ubuntu
> Rip CDs.

Another pain in the ass with Ubuntu

> Listen to music.

Try getting the right CODECs. Some sites work, some don't. More sites with
with Windows.

> Watch vidoes/DVDs.

Maybe

> Scan and print.

If your printer comes with drivers for Ubuntu. Otherwise you are SCREWED.

> Spreadsheets.

You can add a few numbers. If you need to do complicated calculations, use
Excel.

> Presentations

Who would want to present Ubuntu to anyone? Their software is crippled.


> Newsgroups.

Not very good. Try getting decent help. Takes long time.


> HTML editing.

Basic HTML editing.


> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.

If you want to play real games, use Windows

> Make videos.

Primitive capabilities. For real work, use Windows.


> Download photos from a camera and organize them.

You mean download porn off the internet. For real downloading of photos,
use Windows.


> Translations.

Yes, you can ask someone to translate Ubuntu gibberish to English. Maybe.


> Use a dictionary

Limited.


> Learn how to touch type.

BFD.


> Edit images.

Limited functionality. Very basic editing. For BEEFIER editing use a
Windows solution.


> Send and receive a fax.

Your multifunction printer handles this. Ubuntu is crippled.


> Take screenshots.

Oh yea, who needs a screenshot of Ubuntu - Nobody.


> Create .PDF files.

Maybe.


> Create and use a data base.

Simple database. For BEEFIER database use a Windows solution.


> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including Windows
> Live Messenger.
> IRC.
> Bluetooth.
>

BFD. This is mostly for kids. Once the kids see how crippled Ubuntu is
they will ditch Ubuntu and run to Windows.


> and much more!

Much more - Headaches.


>
> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>
ANYTHING WORTHWHILE

I think I covered most everything.