<cheley_bonstell88> wrote in message
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>I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
>do the simplest thing with Vista.
>Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .
>
>Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors
>>IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
>by Killing
>Windows XP.
>
>- SO , get it while you can.

I am skipping the XP rush. I have 4 XP OEM licensed systems, 2 of which
still run XP, one in dual boot. But have recoveries for the others. No
sense in spending more money on Microsoft.

I think this is great for the IT world. Finally it isn't like a Borg fest
out there and asking for Linux is being listened too. Especially when you
let them know you need a X-Windows server to do your job. No extra charge
with Linux.

At home, people are looking at Macs, a relative just had a PC crap out and
to fix it does not make sense. So they are shopping. They haven't decided
yet, they are looking at an Apple and a XP. They already have decided no to
Vista after talking to a relative who wanted Vista and is now stuck with it.
I wasn't even involved, LOL.

Killing XP will force the IT world to take a long serious look at how locked
they want to be on Microsoft going forward and the costs of such a move.

On Jun 16, 2:41 pm, Anteaus <Ante> wrote:
> Yep, I think it's clear that Microsoft got shafted by Hollywood over this DRM
> deal.

I'm not sure I'd say they got shafted. It looks to me like Ballmer
hoped his DVD-based OS would, with the help of Hollywood, lock
consumers of digital entertainment into his OS forever, and he'd get a
cut on every playback.

To the cost of many thousands of hours of coding work on what could
> have been a great OS, had it been designed with performance instead of DRM as
> the prime consideration.
>
> Still I'm relieved that DRM has been so forcefully rejected by the
> computer-buying public, after all the future of a DRM-laced computer industry
> would have been a bleak one indeed.
>
> On the same subject, we were discussing the issue of whether DVD encryption
> and regionalization

I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
automatically bypasses region coding. This was quite a PITA for me,
since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add) in Europe. I
can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
Ubuntu---no problem!
[..]

> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows Desktop Experience -
> > Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
> Love! Is a many splintered thing!


Looks like we got tangled up in some Windows ngs. Scarey.

cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
>do the simplest thing with Vista.
>Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .
>
>Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors
>>IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
>by Killing
>Windows XP.
>
>- SO , get it while you can.

Well, "the problem" is not the killing of XP, it's how shitty and
resource-hungry Vista is. Just when the world is really going
portable, M$ drops this pig onto the market and expects everyone to
use it.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:36:16 +0000, Canuck57 wrote:

> <cheley_bonstell88> wrote in message
> news:7f7157a8-f48a-4d64-
b601-1ef10b64a94f...
[..]
>
> At home, people are looking at Macs, a relative just had a PC crap out
> and to fix it does not make sense. So they are shopping. They haven't
> decided yet, they are looking at an Apple and a XP. They already have
> decided no to Vista after talking to a relative who wanted Vista and is
> now stuck with it. I wasn't even involved, LOL.
>
> Killing XP will force the IT world to take a long serious look at how
> locked they want to be on Microsoft going forward and the costs of such
> a move.

.... and then, unfortunately, most will decide to stay with Microsoft.

"stilicho" <nessuno> wrote in message
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> I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
> automatically bypasses region coding.

So you have installed the DVD code, the illegal stuff?

> This was quite a PITA for me,
> since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add

Why tell us it legal when you have installed illegal software to play them?
You may as well have downloaded the region free versions off the net.

> ) in Europe. I
> can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
> issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
> region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
> Ubuntu---no problem!

Its no problem on windows either if you want to install illegal software
but at least we can play DVDs in one region legally while you can't on
ubuntu.

You really shouldn't have bought the legality into this thread. ;-)

I don't have to. They can merely read your posts.
"Alias" <iamalias> wrote in message
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On Jun 17, 12:11 pm, "dennis@home" <den>
wrote:
> "stilicho" <ness> wrote in message
>
> news:a16e
>> So you have installed the DVD code, the illegal stuff?
>> Why tell us it legal when you have installed illegal software to play them?
> You may as well have downloaded the region free versions off the net.
>> Its no problem on windows either if you want to install illegal software
> but at least we can play DVDs in one region legally while you can't on
> ubuntu.
>
> You really shouldn't have bought the legality into this thread. ;-)

You are correct that I could have installed software to circumvent css
on Windows or Macs.
The software I use under ubuntu is libdvdcss. It is common, almost
universal, on Linux machines because without it you cannot play most
DVDs at all.

However, it is not at all clear that libdvdcss is illegal. I quote
from wikipedia:

"Unlike DeCSS, libdvdcss has never been fought over in a courtroom, in
part because Section 1201(f) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
authorizes such circumvention for purposes of software
interoperability."

Don't listen to what people say about Vista not being a gaming OS. I think
they just assumed the backwards compatibility would be non-existant. Vista
has a clean interface that looks very nice. It's can utilize DirectX 10
(which is key unless you plan on having a system specifically to play games
from the 1990s). I was going to stick with XP because I listened to the
negativity, but my friend told me to go for it and so I did and I'm not
looking back. It's terrific. And in terms of playing old games, I bought
Hitman the week it came out back in 1999/2000. Before XP even existed, and it
installed on Vista no problem. I couldn't install it on XP either. So THERE.
The only game I couldn't play was original Doom, the original Windows 95
version. So it's your decision, Doom or Crysis. Crysis rocks the house, by
the way. Go Vista, you won't regret it. And it's not as buggy (for your
typical above-average-knowledge user like myself) as people, or those stupid
lame Mac commercials suggest.

On Jun 17, 8:59 pm, Casanova Fly
<Casanova> wrote:
> Don't listen to what people say about Vista not being a gaming OS. I think
> they just assumed the backwards compatibility would be non-existant. Vista
> has a clean interface that looks very nice. It's can utilize DirectX 10
> (which is key unless you plan on having a system specifically to play games
> from the 1990s). I was going to stick with XP because I listened to the
> negativity, but my friend told me to go for it and so I did and I'm not
> looking back. It's terrific. And in terms of playing old games, I bought
> Hitman the week it came out back in 1999/2000. Before XP even existed, and it
> installed on Vista no problem. I couldn't install it on XP either. So THERE.
> The only game I couldn't play was original Doom, the original Windows 95
> version. So it's your decision, Doom or Crysis. Crysis rocks the house, by
> the way. Go Vista, you won't regret it. And it's not as buggy (for your
> typical above-average-knowledge user like myself) as people, or those stupid
> lame Mac commercials suggest.

- So ,

what advantages are there with Vista for the average user ?

- Check out the link below . .

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...rsus-xp_6.html

In the spirit of good conversation I submit:

I have Vista on a Sony machine that was designed for Vista.

In the beginning, I didn't have time to learn Vista so I stumbled around
with it and had some frustrating experiences. But now that I've had time to
learn more and more about Vista's features, I question the test results that
shows XP to be 40% faster than Vista. I have 3 XP machines that are running
to the max speed (lots of memory, clean OS and no bloatware.) In contrast to
XP, my Vista machine which is running full speed with all the eye-candy,
including slide show gadgets, is faster than my XP's in most apllications.
For example, when I turn on my wireless adapter switch on Vista, my Vista
connects to the internet in 5 seconds or less. That's right. 5 seconds or
less. In contrast to my very fast, clean XP's that take much longer (30-60
seconds) and in many cases, I have to help XP connect by using XP Network
connect menus. The only problem I have with Vista is that the media player 11
can not handle some of my old video clips but the MP on XP can. I remedy that
with GOM.

In conclusion, I'm having good experiences with Vista since SP1 download and
with a few driver updates from my computer manufacturer.

I haven't even mentioned how Live Mail is performing incredibly well... and
fast. Or how the search functions of Vista make XP seem like a DOS based
system. Vista is more complicated and is asked to do more work that XP and in
most cases it does it faster.

So, as normal user/consumer, I say Vista is getting better.

One last thing- I've worked with a few Macs. They have their problems, too.

MS is going into the right direction with Vista.

cheers,

oscar

"cheley_bonstell88" wrote:
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On Jun 18, 10:04 am, gringott <gring>
wrote:
> "Hans-Georg Michna" wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:07:06 -0700 (PDT),
> > cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:
>
> > >what advantages are there with Vista for the average user ?
>
> > >- Check out the link below . .
>
> > >[..]
>
Infoworld has apparently taken that article down. I certainly
could not open it at 2008-06-18 09:35 UTC.
>
> > Hans-Georg
> > --
> > No mail, please.

Works here >

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...rsus-xp_6.html


Sad to see XP go away and, due to Vista,

force would -be PC users over to MAC and Linux

harvey wrote:

> On Jun 18, 10:04 am, gringott <gring>
> wrote:
>
> Infoworld has apparently taken that article down. I certainly
> could not open it at 2008-06-18 09:35 UTC.
>>
> Works here >
>
> [..]
>> Sad to see XP go away and, due to Vista,
>
> force would -be PC users over to MAC and Linux
>

XP isn't "going away", get a grip!

On Jun 18, 1:44 pm, Bob I <bire> wrote:
> harvey wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
> XP isn't "going away", get a grip!


- Says here it is !!

http://www.dell.com/content/products...=19&l=en&s=dhs

Per the Microsoft® Windows Life-Cycle policy, Direct OEM and Retail
License Availability for Windows XP will End-Of-Life (EOL) on June 30,
2008. To meet Microsoft’s June 30 last-day-to-ship OEM Windows XP
deadline, June 18 is the last time to purchase a Dell laptop, desktop,
or workstation with an OEM Windows XP license.

- After That 'It's Vista, which is unacceptable, MAC, Linux or keep
feeding your current XP new parts.

- So, after June 30'th if you want a PC with a Decent Microsoft
Operating system
- You're totally hosed

http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

harvey wrote:

> On Jun 18, 1:44 pm, Bob I <bire> wrote:
>>
>
> - Says here it is !!

XP isn't "going away", you can use what you have, get a grip!