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 #1  
08-28-08, 06:25 AM
rasmasyean
If this is any indication that 64-bit is the wave of the future an
32-bit will be “obsolete”

“There appears to be a shift taking place in the PC industry: the mov
from 32-bit to 64-bit PCs.
We've been tracking the change by looking at the percentage of 64-bi
PCs connecting to Windows Update, and have seen a dramatic increase i
recent months. The installed base of 64-bit Windows Vista PCs, as
percentage of all Windows Vista systems, has more than tripled in th
U.S. in the last three months, while worldwide adoption has more tha
doubled during the same period. Another view shows that 20% of ne
Windows Vista PCs in the U.S. connecting to Windows Update in June wer
64-bit PCs, up from just 3% in March. Put more simply, usage of 64-bi
Windows Vista is growing much more rapidly than 32-bit. Based on curren
trends, this growth will accelerate as the retail channel shifts t
supplying a rapidly increasing assortment of 64-bit desktops an
laptops.
'Windows Vista Team Blog : Windows Vista 64-bit Today
(http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...bit-today.aspx

Comments...
 #2  
08-28-08, 07:36 AM
Gary S. Terhune
How's the third-market 64-bit apps development coming along?
 #3  
08-28-08, 08:39 AM
Not Even Me
"rasmasyean" <guest> wrote in message
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[..]
> Windows Vista is growing much more rapidly than 32-bit. Based on current
> trends, this growth will accelerate as the retail channel shifts to
> supplying a rapidly increasing assortment of 64-bit desktops and
> laptops."
> 'Windows Vista Team Blog : Windows Vista 64-bit Today'
> ([..])
>
> Comments...?
> --
> rasmasyean


If enough software makers provide 64 bit apps, the trend may continue.
I haven't seen all that many that are true 64 bit apps, most will work with
64 bit, but don't take full advantage of it's capabilities.
I have no immediate plans to use 64 bit, my best estimate is 2-3 years to
mainstream enough 64 bit apps to make it worthwhile.
 #4  
08-28-08, 08:39 PM
rasmasyean
Not Even Me;822139 Wrote:
> If enough software makers provide 64 bit apps, the trend may continue.
> I haven't seen all that many that are true 64 bit apps, most will work
> with
> 64 bit, but don't take full advantage of it's capabilities.
> I have no immediate plans to use 64 bit, my best estimate is 2-3 years
> to
> mainstream enough 64 bit apps to make it worthwhile.


Yo dude, you didn't even read that article. :huh:

"What started out as a gradual (some would say "glacial") movement
toward 64-bit PCs, driven primarily by technology enthusiasts, seems to
have turned into a swift transition, likely fueled by the falling cost
of memory and consumers' desire to get the most out of their PCs."

" 'PC Accelerators'
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system...celerator.mspx) built
into Windows Vista, such as *Windows SuperFetch*, improve performance by
keeping commonly used programs in memory, even when the program is
closed. More memory capacity on 64-bit PCs allows SuperFetch to do its
job more efficiently. "
 #5  
08-28-08, 09:06 PM
rasmasyean
Here's s'mor info..

32-bit vs. 64-bit Vista comparison table&#8230
'Differences and Advantages Between 32-bit (x86) VS 64-bit (x64
Windows Vista » My Digital Life
(http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/0...windows-vista/

Understanding how SuperFetch uses RAM to enhance syste
performance&#8230
'Understand how SuperFetch uses RAM to enhance system performance
Microsoft Windows | TechRepublic.com
(http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/wi...windows/?p=735

Windows Vista - SuperFetch & ReadyBoos
'Ask the Performance Team : Windows Vista - SuperFetch &amp;amp
ReadyBoost
(http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/arc...eadyboost.aspx
 #6  
08-28-08, 10:04 PM
John
Indeed, I Just Acquired My 64 Bit Dell OEM Copy Of Microsoft Windows Vista
Ultimate Edition Service Pack One Yesterday, Via DHL Next Day Air, After
Requesting It From One Of The Dell Support Forums Moderator's Via Private
Message (Chris M.), Just FYI.

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 #7  
08-28-08, 10:12 PM
Bill Yanaire
So idiot, I guess what you wrote on August 26th at 8:12 is pure bullshit?

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 #8  
08-28-08, 11:59 PM
Gary S. Terhune
Yo, dude... What you quoted in no way addresses the 64-bit *applications*
issue. Until the applications are there that truly are 64-bit, the problems
with 64-bit Windows (and there are plenty) are not worth the risk for so
little return, and no matter how many cute tricks the programmers and
Microsoft pull to make what are essentially 32-bit apps run faster under
64-bit architecture, that is not at all the same as having true 64-bit
applications.

Not only that, but SuperFetch would drive the RAM worry warts, the ones who
insist that there must be as much free memory as possible, absolutely
bonkers, <g>.
 #9  
08-28-08, 11:59 PM
Gary S. Terhune
Yawn....
 #10  
08-29-08, 02:04 AM
rasmasyean
Gary S. Terhune;822848 Wrote:
[..]
> Not only that, but SuperFetch would drive the RAM worry warts, the one
> wh
> insist that there must be as much free memory as possible, absolutel
> bonkers, <g>
>
> -
> Gary S. Terhun
> MS-MVP Shell/Use
> 'Welcome to the GrystMill!' ([..]
>


That's not exactly how it works. Having a large disk cache make
overall performance faster since it doesn't have to access the HD a
much since a HD is a lot slower than RAM

And what you are talking about regarding 64-bit application performanc
only applies to things that involve a lot of math calculations. Many o
these "special" users already use 64-bit XP. In reality, the "averag
user" would reap more benefit from cache (even as it uses all "free
RAM) than to run true 64-bit applications. The future 64-bit apps i
just icing on the cake

See most free RAM is wasted, so Vista salvages that wasted RA
intelligently to make the computer faster. It's not just the CPU an
FLOPS or whatever that affects performance

At least that's what that article is indicating as the reason fo
grater adoption of 64-bit Vista (vs. 32-bit Vista)
 #11  
08-29-08, 02:40 AM
Gary S. Terhune
What, you can't have the cache and all that with true 64-bit apps? You have
to choose between one or the other? My 32-bit Windows on this Core2Duo
machine is plenty fast as it is. I've don't generally have to wait more than
a heartbeat for apps to open, so I don't see any advantage in storing them
in RAM to make them open more quickly.

I know all that about the RAM, wasted space, etc. I guess my <g> (grin) at
the end of the paragraph didn't make it clear enough that I consider those
"free-RAM believers to be nuts.
 #12  
08-29-08, 10:36 AM
Not Even Me
I read it, but I still don't see the 'glacial shift'.
Having a 64 bit OS may allow a few programs to run faster, but for most
applications it's no help.
Eventually it will be needed and functional, but that time has not arrived
yet.

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