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A third party is often a company that provides an auxiliary product not
supplied by the primary manufacturer to the end user. A second-party
developer is a developer who, while being a separate entity from any
manufacturer, is tied to a specific one usually through contract or partial
ownership and makes products specifically for that manufacturer.

Tom
"Ted Zieglar" <teddy.z> wrote in message
news:4644
| So who's the "second party"?
|
| ---
| Ted Zieglar
| "Backup is a computer user's best friend."
|
| DatabaseBen wrote:
| > first party refers to "microsoft" the maker of "windows o.s."
| >
| > third party refers to companies not related to the first party
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > "Ted Zieglar" <teddy.z> wrote in message
| > news:2288
| >> What is the definition of a "first party" driver? And what are "second
| >> party" and "third party" drivers?
| >>
| >> ---
| >> Ted Zieglar
| >> "Backup is a computer user's best friend."
| >>
| >> DatabaseBen wrote:
| >>> ok,
| >>>
| >>> in safe mode only first party drivers are loaded
| >>> while in normal mode first, second and third party drivers are all
| >>> loaded.
| >>>
| >>> try going to sysinternals.com and download autoruns
| >>> this will reveal all the drivers loaded and give you
| >>> the opportunity to remove them.
| >>>
| >>> it will divide the processes into tabs.
| >>> then review each line item and uncheck the ones
| >>> that is not needed or shouldn't be required by your system.
| >>> then double click the filename and the registry will open and
| >>> show you the modifications. If you change your mind later
| >>> you can recheck the disabled item.
| >>>
| >>> But it would be my
| >>> guess that any process that interferes with your system,
| >>> shouldn't be required to automaticatlly run without your help
| >>> or knowledge.
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> "Ritter197" <Ritter197> wrote in message
| >>> news:dc01
| >>>> In Safe mode it shuts down very quickly.
| >>>>
| >>>> Should I try uninstalling 1 application after another and see each
time
| >>>> whether that makes the shutdown quick?
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> "DatabaseBen" <databaseben> wrote in
message
| >>>> news:3952
| >>>>> basically, it didn't take forever to shutdown.
| >>>>> simply putting it, the system didn't shutdown.
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> likely an issue with hardware....
| >>>>> try testing the theory via safemode..
| >>>>>
| >>>>> "Ritter197" <Ritter197> wrote in message
| >>>>> news:dc08
| >>>>>> I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with WindowsXP.
SP#2
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in the
| >>>>>> morning it still had not shut down)
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search and
destroy
| >>>>>> and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None find a problem.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago, ( it is
| >>>>>> also set to defrag in the background) but it still has this big
| >>>>>> problem with shutdown.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by comparison,
| >>>>>> running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many more programs.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> What are your ideas here ?
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >

Sorry...I don't see an entry for "second party driver". And not anything
that has to do with a Windows PC.

Ted

It was there!
Second-party developer, tied to and makes games specifically for one console
manufacturer

I see it now. Sort of like the men who are claiming to be the father of
Anna Nicole's son.

Ted Zieglar wrote:

> So who's the "second party"?


http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s20753.htm

lol...that's classic Marx Brothers! Thanks very much.

Ted Zieglar wrote:

> lol...that's classic Marx Brothers! Thanks very much.


You're welcome. As it happens, I resaw "Night at the Opera" last night, so
it popped into my memory as soon as I saw your question.

First Party: The place where the evening starts.
Second Party: The place you go after the First Party is over.
Third Party: The place you were at after the Second Party but don't
remember the next day.

John

Ted Zieglar wrote:
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In the regedit I see: No Data Type, Reg_Dword etc.

[Start] [Run] [Regedit]
Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session
Manager\Memory Management
Modify/Create the Value Data Type(s) and Value Name(s) as detailed below.
Data Type: REG_DWORD [Dword Value] // Value Name: ClearPageFileAtShutdown
Setting for Value Data: [0 = Clear Page File Disabled / 1 = Clear Page File
Enabled]
Exit Registry and Reboot

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper> wrote in message
news:1248
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Ritter197 wrote:
> In the regedit I see: No Data Type, Reg_Dword etc.
>
> [Start] [Run] [Regedit]
> Registry Key:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session
> Manager\Memory Management Modify/Create the Value Data Type(s) and Value
> Name(s) as detailed
> below. Data Type: REG_DWORD [Dword Value] // Value Name:
> ClearPageFileAtShutdown Setting for Value Data: [0 = Clear Page
> File Disabled / 1 = Clear Page File Enabled]
> Exit Registry and Reboot

In other words - you do not see the entry located:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory
Management

Called: ClearPageFileAtShutdown

That is good.

I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WITH THE LAPTOP I'M USING NOW.
IT WOULD TAKE EXACTLY 2 MINUTES, 3 SECONDS FOR THE "TURN OFF", "RESTART",
"STANDBY" BUTTON TO COME UP, THEN ONCE PRESSING THE TURN OFF BUTTON, IT WOULD
TAKE EXACTLY 2 MINUTES 42 SECONDS TO COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN MY COMPUTER.
HERE IS HOW I FIXED IT, AND SINCE MY FIX, I'VE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO PROBELMS
WHATSOEVER:
CLICK AND OPEN YOUR CONTROL PANEL.
CLICK AND OPEN "PERFORMANCE AND MAINTENANCE"
IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND PANEL, CLICK "SYSTEM RESTORE"
ON THE LEFT CLICK "SYSTEM RESTORE SETTINGS"
IN THE SETTINGS WINDOW CHECK THE BOX FOR "TURN OFF SYSTEM RESTORE"
NOW, RESTART YOUR COMPUTER.
WHEN IT RESTARTS, IT WILL ASK YOU IF YOU WANT TO TURN SYSTEM RESTORE BACK ON.
THE SYSTEM RESTORE FILE BECOMES CORRUPTED SOMETIMES, AND THIS PROCEDURE
CLEANS IT OUT.

"Ritter197" wrote:
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1. Don't post in caps. That means you're shouting, and is considered rude.

2. Since System Restore is not active during shutdown, it has no effect
on how quickly a computer shuts down. However, if the hard disk is
almost full, deleting restore points will free up space which can allow
shutdown to proceed faster.

I have talked to a lot of HP Techs now and the system still takes the
IMPOSSIBLE time of 9 Minutes and 27 Seconds to turn off.
No viruses, no adware, recent defrag.

"Ted Zieglar" <teddy.z> wrote in message
news:4552
[..]

Did you try the User Profile Hive Cleanup Service like Gerry Cornell
suggested?

If not: http://blog.enrii.com/2006/07/20/slo...s-xp-shutdown/

-Dan

"Ritter197" <ritter197> wrote in message
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