YES I did download it and install it. Did not do the trick.
Shutdown takes 10 or more minutes.

"LittleMoo" <ThisIsNot> wrote in message
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Maybe it's an issue of defective hardware then. In this case you'll need to
call HP and have them replace it for you as it is still under warranty if it
is new.

-Dan

"Ritter197" <Ritter197> wrote in message
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"LittleMoo" <ThisIsNot> wrote in message
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> Maybe it's an issue of defective hardware then. In this case you'll need
> to call HP and have them replace it for you as it is still under warranty
> if it is new.
>
> -Dan

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention very well (not enough coffee yet). I just
read how your computer shuts down fine in safe mode. Why don't you go into
the System Configuration Utitlity - go to Start -> Run, type in msconfig and
press enter. Go to the Startup tab and turn off one thing at a time so that
it doesn't load after the computer starts up. Then once your computer has
shut down properly you will have found your culprit software.

If this doesn't work you can always get a HiJackThis log or an Autoruns log
for us and we can try to figure out if something isn't supossed to be there.

HiJackThis: http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/p...php#hijackthis
Autoruns: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Autoruns.html

-Dan

I thank all of you who tried to help. It just did not work.

Here is what I did:

I backed up a lot to another internal harddrive, which I installed.

Then, with some trepidation, I went to HP Restore, the F10 key.

It allowed a restore whith leaving all data files intact (what a great thing
that is, even though I backed it all up). I restored the HP way and all
works fine.

A startup of about 2 minutes and a shutdown of 1 minute.

The Applications I have to re-install, but that is easy, since it kept the
data files.

So, I am now very happy with HP again.

I thought you would want to know this all.


"LittleMoo" <ThisIsNot> wrote in message
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Glad to hear that it's working fine again. I was really looking foreward to
hearing what the exact problem was though. But all's well that ends well.

-Dan

"Ritter197" <ritter197> wrote in message
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"Ritter197" wrote:
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hello r197, you are running way to many anti/ spyware, virus software !
remove all .. is my advise EXCEPT nod 32 thats excellent sortware and remove
diskeeper defrage your own harddrive using maint.s and performances in widow
xp 2 ! click start button.. go to control paneland click on performances and
maintienes and defrag. that way also remove those programs by clicking on
start button go to control panel click on ADD AND REMOVE PROGRAMS . ALL THAT
FREE WARE IS TOO MUCH ! BEST REGUARDS, MICHAEL

"Ritter197" wrote:
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ruffjustices wrote:

> hello r197, you are running way to many anti/ spyware, virus software
> ! remove all .. is my advise


Sorry, but that's very poor advice. He's running only a single anti-virus
program, and that's good. He's running multiple anti-spyware programs and
that's also good.

Note what Eric Howes, who has done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware
products, states:

"No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the best-performing
anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one quarter of the
"critical" files and Registry entries" See
http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm

i like you to remove all that EXCESS free spyware AND ANIT VIRAL ,
DISKKEEPER and excess software RUNNING SLOWING DOWN YOUR COMPUTER you can
all so check the TASK MANGER AND SEE HOW MANY PROGRAMS ARE RUNNING.. I'AM
RUNNING 59 1% CPU USAGE I HAVE DELL 3100 P4 HT 2.8 GHZ, genrally you want
less than 50 applications running in back ground. mike
ruffjustices" wrote:
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Ritter197 wrote:
> I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with WindowsXP.
> SP#2
>
> It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in the
> morning it still had not shut down)
>
> I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search and
> destroy and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None find a
> problem.
>
> I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago, ( it is
> also set to defrag in the background) but it still has this big
> problem with shutdown.
>
> My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by comparison,
> running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many more programs.
>
> What are your ideas here ?

ruffjustices wrote:
> i like you to remove all that EXCESS free spyware AND ANIT VIRAL ,
> DISKKEEPER and excess software RUNNING SLOWING DOWN YOUR COMPUTER
> you can all so check the TASK MANGER AND SEE HOW MANY PROGRAMS ARE
> RUNNING.. I'AM RUNNING 59 1% CPU USAGE I HAVE DELL 3100 P4 HT 2.8
> GHZ, genrally you want less than 50 applications running in back
> ground. mike

Unfortunately - your advice is based off no knowledge.
Nothing (mentioned by the OP) other than the AntiVirus (NOD32) is actively
running anywhere until it is manually ran by the user.
This means there are no extra processes running in the background.

As far as your generality (# of applications running)... some people
actually utilize their systems. =)

To me - after following the thread in its entirity - the problem is a
hardware one. Of course the only way to actually prove (to the
manufacturer) this would be to make a disk image "as-is", format with
nothing but Windows XP and all patches and see if it runs okay. If it
does.. Start adding things back slowly. If you never get a slowdown -
something was infesting your computer - but it's okay now. If you get the
slowdown immediately - it is hardware or cruddy drivers. At least you have
the full backup.

Thanks to all who wanted to help. I tried all (or mostly all) your
recommendations. Nothing seemed to help.
What DID help is to use the RESTORE Program which HP bundles with their
computer. It even allows one option which keeps all data. That was great. I
used it and all problems are finally solved.

Shutdown is normal in under 1 minute again. So, it was a software probem all
along, which is what I suspected.

Regards and thanks again

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper> wrote in message
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Ritter197 wrote:
> I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with WindowsXP.
> SP#2
>
> It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in the
> morning it still had not shut down)
>
> I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search and
> destroy and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None find a
> problem.
>
> I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago, ( it
> is also set to defrag in the background) but it still has this big
> problem with shutdown.
>
> My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by comparison,
> running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many more programs.
>
> What are your ideas here ?

ruffjustices wrote:
> i like you to remove all that EXCESS free spyware AND ANIT VIRAL
> , DISKKEEPER and excess software RUNNING SLOWING DOWN YOUR
> COMPUTER you can all so check the TASK MANGER AND SEE HOW MANY
> PROGRAMS ARE RUNNING.. I'AM RUNNING 59 1% CPU USAGE I HAVE DELL
> 3100 P4 HT 2.8 GHZ, genrally you want less than 50 applications
> running in back
> ground. mike

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Unfortunately - your advice is based off no knowledge.
> Nothing (mentioned by the OP) other than the AntiVirus (NOD32) is
> actively running anywhere until it is manually ran by the user.
> This means there are no extra processes running in the background.
>
> As far as your generality (# of applications running)... some
> people actually utilize their systems. =)
>
> To me - after following the thread in its entirity - the problem
> is a hardware one. Of course the only way to actually prove (to
> the manufacturer) this would be to make a disk image "as-is",
> format with nothing but Windows XP and all patches and see if it
> runs okay. If it does.. Start adding things back slowly. If you
> never get a slowdown - something was infesting your computer - but
> it's okay now. If you get the slowdown immediately - it is
> hardware or cruddy drivers. At least you have the full backup.

Ritter197 wrote:
> Thanks to all who wanted to help. I tried all (or mostly all) your
> recommendations. Nothing seemed to help.
> What DID help is to use the RESTORE Program which HP bundles with
> their computer. It even allows one option which keeps all data.
> That was great. I used it and all problems are finally solved.
>
> Shutdown is normal in under 1 minute again. So, it was a software
> probem all along, which is what I suspected.
>
> Regards and thanks again

So essentially what boils down to a Repair Installation of Windows XP.
Interesting.

Glad your problem is resolved - hope it stays that way. My experience with
Repair Installs being what they are... I suggest backing up your system
often.

ruffjustices wrote:

> i like you to remove all that EXCESS free spyware AND ANIT VIRAL ,
> DISKKEEPER and excess software RUNNING SLOWING DOWN YOUR COMPUTER
> you can all so check the TASK MANGER AND SEE HOW MANY PROGRAMS ARE
> RUNNING.. I'AM RUNNING 59 1% CPU USAGE I HAVE DELL 3100 P4 HT 2.8
> GHZ, genrally you want less than 50 applications running in back
> ground. mike


Over and above what Shenan Stanley points out, the *number* of programs
running, whether in the background or the foreground, is completely
irrelevant. What is significant is *which* programs you have running. Some
of them can certainly slow you down considerably, but others have no
perceptible impact on performance. A dozen of the latter kind will have less
effect on performance than one of the former.

try first menu bar (rght click) taskmanager( ctr+alt+del) end all existing
applications shown, then try again with shutdown, if this doesn't work you
can try a program called "enditall" search the web, this will close all
programs running ans then close the computer.... most of time as aall will
say it's background progs that aren' shut down.

"Ritter197" wrote:
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After trying various suggestions here I finally used the Hewlett Packard
bundled Restore program, that left all data intact (applications had to be
re-installed though).

It fixed the problems and now shutdown has gone from 10 minutes to less than
60 seconds.

So, I am happy with their Restore program, which was different from the MS
Restore program for windows xp.(better!)


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