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#31
10-21-08, 10:28 AM
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:18:06 -0400, Mark Shroyer wrote:
> [...] > install OpenOffice 3 right alongside Hardy's installation of OpenOffice > 2.4. Just download and install the debs, and you'll get a totally > independent installation in /opt/openoffice.org3/. Well, I tried that (on Kubuntu 7.10) when v3.0 became available. Unfortunately it didn't work. Due to a missing "sunjavaplugin.so" file none of the OOo programs did run. After wasting a couple of hours to figure out where to find that missing file OOo was complaining about, I removed the v3 installation and recovered 2.4.3 from backup. |
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#32
10-21-08, 10:50 AM
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Dan C wrote:
> I think you are missing my point a little. Perhaps many of these n00bs > *can* follow a HOWTO, but my question was more like: How many of them > actually *would* do it? Probably not many. Especially if it involved a shell. > Sure, there are some more experienced users. I would guess that the > majority of those even would not do any compiling from source. Extra > repositories is about as adventurous as they get, I think. Perhaps I'll > revise my estimate to be "less than 10%". Would you be able to agree with > that figure? "_Fewer_ than 10%". You would have had me at 5%. To further your point, I actually know folks who would wait for the next version of their distro to become available, rather than install something from source. But this would apply to a larger Linux base than just Ubuntu. All major distros perhaps, other than Slackware and Gentoo, of course. ;) |
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#33
10-21-08, 11:25 AM
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johnny bobby bee <useraddshine-no_spam_eh> wrote:
> Dan C wrote: >> What percentage of *buntu users do you think are going to use other (than >> default) repositories, much less compile/install from source? >> >> It's a serious question. My guess is a percentage *very* near zero. > > I know quite a few, some in this NG, including myself. So, not near zero. I guess > 50% of the desktop users use at least the Medibuntu repository. Florian |
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#34
10-21-08, 02:02 PM
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:18:06 -0500, Mark Shroyer
<usenet-mail> wrote: > Then, if you like, simply fire up the GNOME menu editor and change the > menu launcher properties to point to the new version... e.g., replace > /usr/bin/ooffice -writer %U > with > /opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice -writer %U > And you're done! That's what I will do. Thank you for the directions. You are sure I won't mess up anything else on my system by installing the OO debs? One of my questions when it comes to situations like this is "can I get back to square one if it messes someting up?". In this case it seems like it won't. |
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#35
10-21-08, 02:40 PM
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:14:14 -0500, ceed wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:58:31 -0500, caver1 <caver1> wrote: >> No, I do not think we differ that much. There was a time when I ran > Linux for the hell of it. I compiled kernels and broke everything as > soon as I had a working system just to see if I could fix it. These days > Linux is my work OS, so I simply can't afford having a non fuctioning OO > (or laptop) even for a couple of hours. I love to mess around with > things, but in this case that's a luxury I can't afford :) > > And that's what I like about Ubuntu, or in this case Mint: It just > works, but is still Linux! :) If that is the case why do you want to install a shiny new version of some software that is already working for you without any problems? Wouldn't it be better to wait a couple of months and keep posted on any potential issues? It's not that version 3 brings anything new that will get you a raise or increase your productivity. It's just more of the same. |
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#36
10-21-08, 02:44 PM
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:49:26 -0500, Dan C wrote:
> OK, so "a few". How many folks do you think are using *buntu right now? > Is it measured in the hundreds of thousands, would you think? What does > that come out to, in percentage? > > Like I said, "near zero". You clearly haven't the faintest idea about the *ubuntu user base. Have a nice day. |
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#37
10-21-08, 03:34 PM
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:08:33 -0500, Dan C <youmustbejoking>
wrote: > I think you are missing my point a little. Perhaps many of these n00bs > *can* follow a HOWTO, but my question was more like: How many of them > actually *would* do it? Many (most?) *buntu users do not even approach > such a "drastic" measure as adding/changing repositories. They simply > don't know that they can. Remember, probably 99.5% of users don't use > newsgroups, nor even know what they are. They simply don't need the > added > power/resource of customizing repository listings, as they don't ever > really add any new software to the default installed packages. I think you are right. However, if we want Linux to reach further into the Windows and Mac user base that's where the majority of users are. Ubuntu is taking Linux "mainstream". Like it or not! :) |
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#38
10-21-08, 03:36 PM
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Mario Figueiredo wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:49:26 -0500, Dan C wrote: >> OK, so "a few". How many folks do you think are using *buntu right now? >> Is it measured in the hundreds of thousands, would you think? What does >> that come out to, in percentage? >> >> Like I said, "near zero". > > You clearly haven't the faintest idea about the *ubuntu user base. > > Have a nice day. According to Distrowatch Ubuntu is the most popular distro Dave Thompson |
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#39
10-21-08, 03:39 PM
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:40:30 -0500, Mario Figueiredo <marfig>
wrote: > If that is the case why do you want to install a shiny new version of > some software that is already working for you without any problems? > Wouldn't it be better to wait a couple of months and keep posted on any > potential issues? > It's not that version 3 brings anything new that will get you a raise or > increase your productivity. It's just more of the same. I said in another post that the reason I am kinda eager getting 3.0 is that some Word and Excel compatibility issues are solved in 3.0. I work on contracts a lot, so I need to stay as close to MS Office as possible. OO 3 may be a little buggy, but it will save me a lot of time since it works better with revision tracking and such in Word and Excel documents. I normally wait for the repos to catch up, but in this case I am willing to go a little further to get something I need. |
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#40
10-21-08, 05:23 PM
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ceed wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:40:30 -0500, Mario Figueiredo <marfig> > wrote: >> I said in another post that the reason I am kinda eager getting 3.0 is > that some Word and Excel compatibility issues are solved in 3.0. I work > on contracts a lot, so I need to stay as close to MS Office as possible. > OO 3 may be a little buggy, but it will save me a lot of time since it > works better with revision tracking and such in Word and Excel > documents. I normally wait for the repos to catch up, but in this case I > am willing to go a little further to get something I need. > If you are worried about it corrupting something why don't you virtualize an OS then load 003 there. can't hurt anything and you can still try it out to see if its what you want before you put it on your main system? caver1 |
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#41
10-21-08, 05:28 PM
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* Dave Thompson wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
> Mario Figueiredo wrote: >> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:49:26 -0500, Dan C wrote: >>> OK, so "a few". How many folks do you think are using *buntu right >>> now? Is it measured in the hundreds of thousands, would you think? >>> What does that come out to, in percentage? >>> >>> Like I said, "near zero". >> >> You clearly haven't the faintest idea about the *ubuntu user base. >> >> Have a nice day. > > According to Distrowatch Ubuntu is the most popular distro > That is determined by a page hit ranking on their site, nothing more. |
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#42
10-21-08, 07:42 PM
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ceed schreef:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:58:31 -0500, caver1 <caver1> wrote: >> No, I do not think we differ that much. There was a time when I ran > Linux for the hell of it. I compiled kernels and broke everything as > soon as I had a working system just to see if I could fix it. These days > Linux is my work OS, so I simply can't afford having a non fuctioning OO > (or laptop) even for a couple of hours. I love to mess around with > things, but in this case that's a luxury I can't afford :) > > And that's what I like about Ubuntu, or in this case Mint: It just > works, but is still Linux! :) > This should not pose a dilemma, set aside a 20GB partition for your 'bleeding edge' experiments and stop worrying about your primary install. |
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#43
10-21-08, 08:02 PM
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:08:33 -0500, Dan C wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:47:33 +0000, johnny bobby bee wrote: >> >> I think you are missing my point a little. Perhaps many of these n00bs > *can* follow a HOWTO, ---<BLAH BLAH BLAH *SNIP*>--- If I find this argument pointless, does that make me a n00b? |
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#44
10-22-08, 04:59 AM
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:28:13 +0000, SINNER wrote:
> * Dave Thompson wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu: > > That is determined by a page hit ranking on their site, nothing more. Regardless, my point was not about how many people use Linux, but this ridiculous idea that the percentage of people that use other things that the official repositories is "near zero". Maybe if our friend Dan C got out of his house an smelled the fresh air, he could meet a lot of people that actually only use the official repositories for the system parts. And even then, some. |
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#45
10-22-08, 03:33 PM
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:12:23 -0500, Harold Stevens wrote:
> In <6m3vcjFf3tokU1> ray: > > [Snip...] > >> problem with your thesis > > Another problem: more Slack trolling in aolu. Sound familiar? > > WHBT; WKWTD... Oh, I got one for you from the Hadron Quack troll, he posted in cola: <quote> It IS because of him and two other useless people in particular (CBFalconer and Harold "old school" Stevens (probably both Willy nyms) that I started to drift from the Ubuntu fan boy zone. <unquote> From: Hadron <hadronquark> Message-ID: <gdl55d$lc2$1> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 He thinks (& I use the term loosely in Quack's case) that you & CBFalconer are my socks! The troll gets more idiotic by the day. He's now festering the debian groups, BTW. |
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