Have you ever realized how much development occurred because of commercial
software companies? Development of software industry, internet market, game
industry, virtual worlds, movies all these things are because of commercial
software industry, not because of open source. Is open source going to be
the future of the computer industry? I don't think so; even if it does it
wouldn't be a bright future.I believe that there should be a balance between
Open Source and Commercial Softwares. I personally believe in a future where
people can buy softwares close to the price of books.

There are some people who talk highly about open source; most of them hate
commercial software and the wealth they have massed from it. They consider
themselves as Gods and they all want to crush the evil Microsoft. Anyone who
utters a word against OSS is regarded as supporter of evil; most of them don't
even have the courage of saying "Vista is Superb". But they all have windows
installed in their machines. Ask them why open source? They would say, it's
the fastest, safest & strongest, which is totally wrong.

Most academics don't want to talk in favor of Microsoft or commercial
software's, specially in front of open source guys, unless you can stand
that sneering look which say "Oh, a guy with limited computer knowledge".
This could be true because honestly speaking Open Source mostly suites
experts, and that's the fucking problem. Computing wouldn't be this easy
without companies like Microsoft, which managed to invest huge sums in
hiring innovative people like Sabeer Bhatia who invented hotmail.

But In my point of view open source could cripple software industry and its
development in many ways. When you look at the humanitarian perspective open
source software could be seen as a very good thing, most of the people in
third world countries doesn't have money to buy Widows Vista for 399$. Is
this the answer? Give it free and Fuck Microsoft! One thing open source
world doesn't realize is that windows actually works, just double click on a
program to install click next, next , agree, finish, that's all, no need to
worry about it afterwards. No need to spend 10 hours reading documentations
before installing something.

Those who criticize windows have one strong argument in common, security
flaws and virus threats. Do you ever think that a virus writer or hacker
will get what he wanted from writing program for Linux? He wants to see his
virus on the news, to cause lot of damage, for people to talk about it. To
achieve this he has to write a virus for an operating system which is widely
used, which is windows.

Most open source software's collapse at the end simply because they don't
have enough money or resources to plan themselves for the future. The best
way to sustain the development of the industry is to reduce the price of
commercial software, not to give it free. The best example is Google. They
have developed a way to offer lots of free services while earning
considerable amount of money for future researches and developments. Free
means, no money, lack of resources, no innovation and no progress.

Let's say that Ubuntu became so famous that nobody wants to buy windows
anymore, what will happen to the future of the computer industry? We will be
stuck with a technology which has a development speed of a snail. Microsoft
spent many years and millions of dollars, 1000's of software engineers to
jump from Windows XP to windows Vista. In my point of view Vista is an
Excellent Operating System. How long it would take open source community
develop something like that?


Let's look at fundamental issues of Open Source software

<!--[if !supportLists]-->1. <!--[endif]-->Bad User Interface Design- If you
have ever used Linux you'll experience the troubles that you might go
through unless you have some good knowledge in computers. The problems with
open source programming I s that they only think about programming but not
about user friendliness or the interface. Ubuntu tries to copy windows XP,
but still need lots of improvements in other areas.


<!--[if !supportLists]-->2. <!--[endif]-->Bad Documentation-Most of the time
the documentation is written in a way that only experts can understand. When
you use open source software, if you encounter even a simple problem, you
may have to read through 100 of documents and user forum until you find a
solution. I installed Ubuntu once and internet was not working, it took me
one week to find the solution, many would have already given up.


<!--[if !supportLists]-->3. <!--[endif]-->Give us what they want- This is
the main disadvantage of open source software projects. Can we play video
games in Linux or Ubuntu? Ask this question from an Open Source guy, he will
immediately answer "We don't play games".


<!--[if !supportLists]-->4. <!--[endif]-->Slow development rate- Since so
many developers may join and leave the project, it may take a lot of time
for a new guy to join the ongoing project and contribute efficiently. This
may have a huge impact on the future of the project. There are millions of
lines of coding; it could break down on its own weight. ( Check the speed of
windows XP vs Red Hat Linux)

"BRUCE STARINSKI" <bruce> wrote in
news:hbnquj$m90$1:

<SNIP STUPID CR*P>

>
> Those who criticize windows have one strong argument in common,
> security flaws and virus threats. Do you ever think that a virus
> writer or hacker will get what he wanted from writing program for
> Linux? He wants to see his virus on the news, to cause lot of damage,
> for people to talk about it. To achieve this he has to write a virus
> for an operating system which is widely used, which is windows.

So writing *another* virus for Windows that may become mildly successful
is more desirable and more noteworthy than being the first to write a
successful one for Linux that gets released into the wild, lives , and
multiplies, and becomes some type of problem ?

I'd think being the first would be much more impressive than to be the
thousandth.


<more incoherant babble snipped>

> Let's look at fundamental issues of Open Source software
>
> <!--[if !supportLists]-->1. <!--[endif]-->Bad User Interface Design-
> If you have ever used Linux you'll experience the troubles that you
> might go through unless you have some good knowledge in computers. The
> problems with open source programming I s that they only think about
> programming but not about user friendliness or the interface.

Incorrect.

> Ubuntu tries to copy windows XP,

This means absolutely nothing. A window based GUI is a windows based GUI.
There are 4 main 'desktops' available for Linux and they all offer many
of the same features, and each has their own features as well.

> but still need lots of improvements
> in other areas.
>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->2. <!--[endif]-->Bad Documentation-Most of
> the time the documentation is written in a way that only experts can
> understand. When you use open source software, if you encounter even a
> simple problem, you may have to read through 100 of documents and user
> forum until you find a solution.

This may be true. But who reads documentation.

> I installed Ubuntu once and internet
> was not working, it took me one week to find the solution, many would
> have already given up.

You'd admit to that ?

> <!--[if !supportLists]-->3. <!--[endif]-->Give us what they want- This
> is the main disadvantage of open source software projects. Can we play
> video games in Linux or Ubuntu? Ask this question from an Open Source
> guy, he will immediately answer "We don't play games".

Ask another one and he may answer differently. I would answer that there
are some games available (and I'm not talking lame games like 2d
anything) but many of the windows games will play under WINE. I'd then
relate my personal experience that when I installed and ran Quake3 under
WINE, it actually ran better under WINE than running as native binaries
in Windows. Many games function properly under WINE.

> <!--[if !supportLists]-->4. <!--[endif]-->Slow development rate- Since
> so many developers may join and leave the project, it may take a lot
> of time for a new guy to join the ongoing project and contribute
> efficiently. This may have a huge impact on the future of the project.
> There are millions of lines of coding; it could break down on its own
> weight. ( Check the speed of windows XP vs Red Hat Linux)

Duh. Any new person coming into a project, commercial or not, will have
to spend time getting up to speed.

DanS wrote:
[..]
> Ask another one and he may answer differently. I would answer that there
> are some games available (and I'm not talking lame games like 2d
> anything) but many of the windows games will play under WINE. I'd then
> relate my personal experience that when I installed and ran Quake3 under
> WINE, it actually ran better under WINE than running as native binaries
> in Windows. Many games function properly under WINE.
>> Duh. Any new person coming into a project, commercial or not, will have
> to spend time getting up to speed.

Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.

Alias

"Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS> wrote in message
news:ek61
> DanS wrote:
>
> Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.
>
> Alias

Using logic and reason with Alias is a futile endeavor. Look at what you
are doing. This is the Vista group and you are trying to shove that
INFERIOR Ubuntu down peoples throats. What a loser.

"Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS> wrote in message
news:ek61

SNIP
>
> Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.
>

Kinda like posting linux shit in a Vista NG.
REAL logical.

If you breed an ubuntard with a monkey, do you get a tiresome monkey?

"PencilState" <pencilstate> wrote in message
news:9d21
>
> "Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS> wrote in message
> news:ek61
>
> SNIP
>>
>> Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.
>>
>
> Kinda like posting linux shit in a Vista NG.
> REAL logical.
>
> If you breed an ubuntard with a monkey, do you get a tiresome monkey?

And that monkey has a name. It's Alias.

Alias wrote:
> DanS wrote:
>
> Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.
>
> Alias

Projecting again?...LOL!

THREAD CLOSED.

"BRUCE STARINSKI" <bruce> wrote in message
news:m901
[..]

"Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS> wrote in message
news:ek61

Fuck the countdown 'til Ubuntu cums out, Windows 7 is here!

The Unfortunate fact is, that now it is, Ubuntu will be sadly forgotten and
dumped in the realms of the shit heap.

I still say though, Ubuntu has the best interface for cummin' over.
mmmmmmm... The thought is arousing me already.

Yes I can honestly say, all the best wankers love Ubuntu!

Alias

"Frank" <fb> wrote in message news:2ec1
> Alias wrote:

> Projecting again?...LOL!

Fuck the countdown 'til Ubuntu cums out, Windows 7 is here!

The Unfortunate fact is, that now it is, Ubuntu will be sadly forgotten and
dumped in the realms of the shit heap.

I still say though, Ubuntu has the best interface for cummin' over.
mmmmmmm... The thought is arousing me already.

Yes I can honestly say, all the best wankers love Ubuntu!

Alias

"PencilState" <pencilstate> wrote in news:4adf99d2$1
@news.x-privat.org:

>
> "Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS> wrote in message
> news:ek61
>
> SNIP
>>
>> Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.
>>
>
> Kinda like posting linux shit in a Vista NG.
> REAL logical.

If you're trying to get people to switch, it is logical.

DanS wrote:
> "PencilState" <pencilstate> wrote in news:4adf99d2$1
> @news.x-privat.org:
>
>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS> wrote in message
>> news:ek61
>>
>> SNIP
>>> Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.
>>>
>> Kinda like posting linux shit in a Vista NG.
>> REAL logical.
>
> If you're trying to get people to switch, it is logical.

Or just trying to let the world know that there's an alternative.

Alias

"Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS> wrote in message
news:um12
> DanS wrote:
>
> Or just trying to let the world know that there's an alternative.
>
> Alias

Not to that SHITTY Ubuntu. Ubuntu is worth exactly what you pay for it:
NOTHING.

Ubuntu doesn't run any of the popular programs and you have to use cryptic
line commands to do almost anything in Ubuntu.

People reject Ubuntu as garbage.

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t> wrote in message
news:nern
> "PencilState" <pencilstate> wrote in news:4adf99d2
> @news.x-privat.org:
>> If you're trying to get people to switch, it is logical.

To switch when they already have an OS they paid for?
To switch to a useless linux distro that if they can't get Vista to run,
they will never get ubuntu installed?
That if all they have is a restore partition, they are likely to wipe it
out?
And, then be SOL if they hate ubuntu?

The people capable of installing ubuntu have already done so.
He only reaches NG readers whom are well aware of urdumbtoo...so he isn't
getting anyone to switch.

But, that's OK.
I decided to start pushing Windows 7 in the ubuntu NG.
Bad thing...no one there has more than $30 disposable cash.
Wasted time.

"PencilState" <pencilstate> wrote in message
news:5271

>
> The people capable of installing ubuntu have already done so.
> He only reaches NG readers whom are well aware of urdumbtoo...so he isn't
> getting anyone to switch.
>
> But, that's OK.
> I decided to start pushing Windows 7 in the ubuntu NG.
> Bad thing...no one there has more than $30 disposable cash.
> Wasted time.

Very funny and true!